Tea and Conversation at Leeds Arts Party

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This event was led by a group of students from across Leeds College of Art  in response to Bob and Roberta Smiths Art Party in Scarborough, 2013, offering fresh perspectives, facilitating new conversations, and keeping the campaign for the arts alive.

The Leeds Arts Party will highlight the positive impact the arts have on society, the economy, and its importance in our education system, whilst also looking at how creative thinking can assist in developing a sustainable future.

We were privileged enough to be invited along to take part in this event.

We roamed through the cafeteria of the college, which was a hubbub of activity…making, doing, dancing, mapping. friendly and inviting atmosphere and it wasn’t long before some people stopped us and asked us what we were doing?

Questions picked: ( again the answers come form a range of people..as remembered by Zoe)

What do you think of your neighbour? Oh don’t ask. that is THE question at the moment. She is just so tricky. Oh i don’t want to talk about it.

If you could change anything, what would you change? Now thats not a small question is it.

What are you ready for? Something new. Something else. Anything. i’m ready for anything…thats what I always say and I mean it.

Do you count? Yes. No . Sometimes. Depends on the context.

What makes you happy? Art. Dance. Singing

Who matters to you most? Me. Is that allowed? Can I matter most? Not one person…all my family and close friends matter. Can depend on the situation…if my car has broken down, maybe a n=mechanic or someone else who can help matters most..or even that depends. Everybody matters, don’t they? Think of the bees….we are all significant and vital to each others survival.

What is freedom? Having a passport..gaining status of residency in uk….that means my husn=band and I are free to travel again. People think its incredibly easy to get into this country. its really not. Even with being married its really difficult, its a lot of hassle and it takes a long time.

What stops you in your tracks? The election result. Extreme actions, sights or emotions…a really beautiful view, a poignant moment, a child smiling, children in general…make me stop…be hopeful…smile.

What makes you hopeful? Sunshine. Events like this. People.

 

Tea at Leeds Waterfront Festival

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Hot day, sun shining by the canal, lots of people passing through….us in a pseudo uniform…moving the trolley in near slow motion along leeds Dock…stopping, talking, sitting, standing, laughing, listening, sharing, enjoying. Didn’t remember my sun cream and felt the heat tingle my skin.

How do you make the perfect cup of tea? Is this meant as a metaphor? Am I supposed to reveal some deeper meaning to life? is it about perfection? You can probably tell already i am not a tea drinking fan really….I put one bag of black tea in a mug. That’s my perfect cup of tea.

If you could change anything what would you change? No school. I’d make school such fun that each child couldn’t wait to go there each day. I’d make clown training and philosophy compulsory for a year when 18 or so.

If you had the power what would you do? I would make everybody have the power. Then we’d be equal, wouldn’t we? It can’t work if we don’t all get involved.

Where do you belong? Everywhere. Nowhere. Belonging in one place means I don’t belong somewhere else.

How does it feel to be right? Ah yes i am almost always right.

What is peace? My parents, my family, reading a good book….being on the top Ilkley Moor…just me on my own…oh when the kids have gone to bed. (sighs).

What is going to happen to our beautiful planet in your lifetime? Wow not a small question. Well, nothing good unless we all develop the same mindset…then we could make a huge difference. If every person was kind and compassionate to others all the time, imagine how different the world would be. It starts with each person taking responsibility and doing what they can do.

What’s your favourite word? Discombobulated, Onomatopoeia, chocolate, cheese

How does it feel to be vulnerable? Not great. I don’t like it. Its easier to be around confident people than fragile ones. i was a lot less vulnerable when i was younger. i travelled around a lot and talked to lots of people. I wasn’t afraid or lonely. Now I have a house and the walls, and fences seem to create more barriers and keep me isolated. I feel a lot more vulnerable now.

Who do you wish you had never met? Dark. I was thinking about this the other day….I think even the worst experiences I don’t regret because they make me who I am.

Do you think we have the right to end our own lives? Not sure. I guess yes if you were at that stage and able to make that decision. think you have to go to Switzerland to that don’t you? I know someone who diid that. Brave decision.

What is it to love? Acceptance. Joy. Belief. Seeing the amazingness of that person even when they don’t. Seeing beyond needs and expectations.  Being kind and compassionate. Its a verb ‘loving’ – most often people think of it as a think, a possession even, but love is a being and a doing, its an action.

What does it mean to be a human in the 21st century? Don’t live somebody elses life – only your own! Don’t judge, Observe. Thats our role on this planet to observe the world and everything in it, not judge it. I ask myself- what do I deserve? What can I accept? Who knows best? Should I do this or do that!

Do you need it?  Yes & No… We need more interaction, and less stuff. We are all different and yet we are all the same… The happiest people I have met have the least. Interesting that. Whilst we accept living under other peoples authority… we take less responsibility for ourselves. The manufacture of NEED through FEAR. We need to stop living in Fear – and START living in LOVE. As long as Profit is valued above everything else – then we are lost…

What do you do?  I’m a human being, not a human-doing…

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T and T at Grassington Festival

IMG_7321 4 friends – walking, talking, having a little get-together weekend. Stumble upon the Grassington Festival, and think that a little lunchtime show, titled TEA & TOLERANCE might be a nice doo…

Little do they know that as they sit there on a mizzling, drizzling lunchtime picnic bench… they will move on from a conversation with Jason & Tiago with thoughts and discussions of freedom, peace and laughter…

A quote from that conversation: “Listening is easy, but actually hearing…”

A few questions from the day…

What does it mean to be human in the 21st century? Join in with everyone and be pleasant. That’s it!
What is freedom? To be what you want to be
What makes you feel good? Seeing the next generation grow up
If you had the power, what would you like to leave to future generations? Live in the moment. Know that material things don’t bring you happiness. A fair world with equal opportunities.
How does it feel to be vulnerable? We are all vulnerable.

Then – the care home… To the question: Where do you draw the line? Edith said: Have I got it right; have I got it right, have I got it right? You draw it here with a pen and paper. Have I got it right, have i got it right. There is always joy in the world… and, i think, probably,

Contributions added in Grassington…

Should people talk to each other more?
Are people essentially good?
We need more tolerance of one other.

And a moment of gratitude from Grassington ( to our Facebook page) –

“Thank you Jason and Tiago – a wonderfully inspired presence in Grassington Festival Square today.” Judith Joy, thank you for participating!

LOVE x

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What kind of World would you like to live in?

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‘What kind of world would you like to live in’ was the theme of our tea party at Magellan House. Here we invited all the people we have talked to and their friends to contribute to the next phase of our project: creating a Handbook to being a Human in the 21st century. We have felt over the past months that what we have been discovering through our conversations is about what kind of world people would like to live in and what it is to be a human being. So this, we hope, is just the beginning of this…

What we started discovering through the day was that the real question is perhaps….

What kind of World do we want to leave to Future Generations?

Conversations spanned many topics. We talked about the world that we would like to live in and how we might go about getting closer to that world. Asking a child of six the question…Is it fair? Immediate answer was ‘No’. Can we make the world fairer? is that possible?

Some of the suggestions contributed….

A fairer world where each person has an equal start.

A World where children can grow up with love and respect…

A World where truth is never separated from a person’s heart. I think by this, what was meant was that people always speak and act from a place of kind heartedness and compassion rather than fear and anger.

A World where we strive to learn about tolerance and compassion for one another and ourselves

A World where we where the primary motivators are not greed, violence and abuse of one another and the planet, but kindness and love.

A World where as a collective (and as individuals) we take responsibility. Take responsibility for ourselves and other people and the world around us.

A World with love, hope, pixies, flowers, mermaids and where everyone is happy.

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“A Kind World….
I want to live in a
World where every person
Can trust every other person
To approach them with kindness.
A World where each person lives
Each moment with a desire and
Intention to be kind to every
Person, animal, thing that they encounter.
Of course, we’ll all fail at this
Numerous times, daily but
When we fail we’ll be kind to ourselves
And when others fail
We’ll be kind to them.”

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“I would like to live in a world with love and hope and pixies. There would be lots of flowers and everyone would be happy!”

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The conversations were documented by Tom from Arts and Minds. here are some more pictures from the day.

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Photographs by Maria Spadafora. Art Work by Paul Bailey (drawings) and Reb Caputo (Shadow Puppetry)

A street called Briggate, Oakwood Clock and up on the roof at The Black Swan.

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A much better day than the day before when Lucy and Jason got very cold talking with people at the opening of Oakwood Clock. Despite the rain, people were upbeat and willing to sit down ( in the rain) and talk tolerance with them. One rather interesting moment was when a young boy got the question ‘Who is the Enemy?” to which he gleefully replied “Meeeeee!!!!” To give this context, i think his thinking was along the lines of games and play and well isn’t it much more fun to be the baddie…isn’t it?!!

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So back to the better weather day…quite warm, no rain…we were cautiously optimistic. The plan was to start the day talking to people on Briggate then head up to The Black swan in the Calls where there was a symposium as part of Live at Leeds. Being on Briggate was interesting. people were very suspicious and actively NOT wanting to engage with us. I’m not sure if they were more worried we were going to sell them a weird tea set or that we were going to enlist them in a religious cult.

We’d also invited Humans of Leeds ( who shall remain anonymous) to join us, which he did. A couple of people did talk to us as we started to head down the high street….one man in particular who talked about meeting the King of Greece. here is what he had to say ( as interpreted by Humans of Leeds)…

“My job is one of those where everyone asks, ‘How did you get a job like that?’ and I tell them, ‘Somebody had to do it, and I decided it was going to be me’. I lecture to passengers on cruise ships, telling them about the places they’re visiting and what they’re seeing as we approach into a port. As we tie-up, I point out all the different landmarks they can go visit” “So how did you get a job like that?” “Well, your parents always have friends and one of my father’s friends, Uncle John, owned three ships. Each winter he’d take one vessel off the line and take a cruise with some people he knew and some guests. I happened to be on one of these cruises and throughout our time he’d been introducing me to the guests and telling them I was going to be lecturing to them later. All the guests were very keen on the idea and I went along with it thinking it was a wind-up. Anyway, we were approaching Gibraltar and I was on the bridge with Uncle John. He picked up the ship microphone and announced that there was a special guest on board who was going to tell them all about Gibraltar. He forced the microphone into my hands and all eyes were on me. Except for one gent who got up and started walking off just as I was about to speak. Since I was doing this for them, I got a little annoyed, ‘Excuse me Sir!’ I shouted, ‘Please do me the courtesy of taking your seat and listening’. He sat down hastily and I spoke for 20 minutes or so and then we took a break for afternoon tea. During tea, the staff captain came up to me and said I was the talk of the ship. I couldn’t understand why and he explained, ‘That man you told to sit down earlier, he’s the King of Greece!’

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Our final stop for the day was at The Black Swan – the Arts Symposium as part of Live at Leeds. The sun came out which was lovely. We relaxed surrounded by various live arts interventions. Questions which arose…

If you could change anything, what would you change? Make life expectancy 300 years plus so that people would have to live with the consequences of their own decisions. A world where we all start on a more equal footing…same level of privilege and wealth and love.

The question ‘What is your favourite word?’ came up, which led to us all answering the ten Proust questions…

What is your favorite word?
What is your least favorite word?
What turns you on?
What turns you off?
What sound or noise do you love?
What sound or noise do you hate?
What is your favorite curse word?
What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?
What profession would you not like to do?
If heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the pearly gates?

Apparently, these questions reveal our inner personality (above is the edited version we answered). What insights these questions actually gave us into one another I’m not, but it was a definite leveller and fun! I’d recommend it for an interesting conversation starter most definitely.

Questions added by people at The Black Swan….

Do we truly have free will?

Do I really need this?

What’s going on?

What are you grateful for?

Who are you?

Who or what has most influenced you in your life?

And my personal favourite…

Is Love chemical? Is it? What do you think?

 

 

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Tea and Tolerance – the past 9 months of contributions …

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Questions posed and answers given across 18 groups we have worked with since September 2014 (as remembered and interpreted by the Tea and tolerance team.)

What is the difference between you and me? We noticed that two of us were wearing stripey t-shirts and jeans with pony tails. We saw the similarities first. Do we generally look at the external things before internal ones? I guess if you think about needs we are a lot more similar than we are different. I heard that we are 60% the same as a banana! I think its one dna strand that differs humans form apes is it?

What’s your favourite word? Love. Peace. Hope. Chagrin. I like that word. Discombobulated….it means you know a bit out of sorts, not quite feeling balanced or with it. Oh I like that word….i’m going to use that.

Why are you here? That sounds quite esoteric. Like what is my purpose on this earth? Literally, the answer… I’m here so I can get out of the house, to meet people and do things.

What makes you feel good? Looking good on the outside always makes me feel a lot better. Tanning bed makes me feel brilliant! Travelling. I’d like to go to Egypt – I d like to live there- teach english or dance. I would love that.

When do you laugh at yourself? Yes – all the time. Got to laugh at your self. If you don’t laugh, then you might cry. I laugh when I look in the mirror.

How much are you worth? As a mother of a disabled boy I am priceless- as his carer i am indispensable. Makes me really emotional to realise that.

Nought – you come into the world with nought and you leave the same way. Is what we are worth based on how much we earn? Could it be another way? Where what we are worth isn’t connected to our income. How else do we contribute to be valuable? I want to contribute. I want to be able to contribute. I do my best to be there for people, to listen to them, to inject some humour.

Kindness or Intelligence? Both surely. Kindness surely is intelligence. Of course sometimes people choose intellect and logic over being kind, but one doesn’t have to exclude the other. Every action we take surely is best coming from a place of kindness and intelligence?

What makes you happy? Family makes me happy. Sometimes. When we are not arguing. I love my family. Good food makes me happy. These guys….that come here make me happy. Dancing. Drawing. My friends. Being with the people I love.

What makes you feel good? Talking with friends, meeting new people, getting out of the house,having a laugh, going on trips when I can. Blue skies. Making things. Good friends. Having time to do the things I want to do.

What inspires you? People doing amazing things like raising lots of money for charity by trekking in the Himalayas or running a marathon or something. I couldn’t do that. Amazing cities. Being in my camper van. A beautiful view. A lovely day. Love. Beauty. Lots of things.

What is Love? I’ve been married for 57 years. Love is caring for another person – putting their needs ahead of your own. Or is that devotion maybe. Love is putting up with each other and sticking together. Love is arguing things out – a marriage without arguments means someone is under the thumb. That’s no good. Love gosh…I had a perfect wife…I lived a wild life and she put up with it. I had freedom and fun. I did everything. Love hurts. It scares me to love someone. I feel trapped by it. I’m afraid for when they will leave. Love is seeing the magic in another person. It can get mixed up with need, possession, desire….but the love isn’t those things. Best way to love someone is a way that allows them to be totally themselves.

Can you love someone even though you do not agree with their beliefs? Yes. Plenty of people I love that I don’t agree with on every belief. Does it make a difference what the difference of belief is? Do we love different people in different ways? Is love two-fold? Or multi-faceted? Yes – simply put, of course I can. Whether I always do, that is less easy. Isn’t that the point of this? Of making things better? To genuinely listen with compassion to someone who you disagree with? Love the person – question the belief. I love family unconditionally, other people I choose to love, and then there is love of other human beings, places and things that I encounter in life? With unconditional love of family and so on, I disregard the beliefs I don’t agree with. Though  are their limits to this – like very extreme views that would threaten this love? What if they actively participated in things I disagreed with? Zenophobe? Homophobe? Racist? Paedophile? Would that be tolerable for me? Do we then need to make it clear that we disagree with that particular belief? And how does that affect the relationship and love we share with that person? We agreed with people who are less close to us, we can have an array of beliefs we don’t agree on. Though do we agree to disagree or just never speak about those differences? With romantic love, I expect or need those major beliefs and values to match I think.  Would I choose not to love someone or get to a point of loving someone who had beliefs I did’t agree with? if so, what happens if I already love someone and discover a major belief mismatch? Though it might be that i can still love them…but perhaps not be with them in a partnership.

What are you afraid of? Spiders. I hate them. The dentist. Losing my kids. Yeah. The social taking my kids off me. The unknown. Loneliness. Illness. Death. Change. Everything. Nothing. I try not to be afraid of anything.

Where do you belong? Everywhere. Or nowhere – because if I belong in one place then that means I don’t belong somewhere else. Everyone always thinks they are not in the circle or ‘in group’ but I wonder who is in that circle? Perhaps its just that we perceive our selves in a place of not belonging. we should accept and include everyone. Pull down all the borders.

What do you think of your neighbour? Oh don’t ask. that is THE question at the moment. She is just so tricky. Oh I don’t want to talk about it. Interesting question. Do you mean in my house, or in neighbouring countries. I like my next door neighbours. I make appoint of checking in on them. I have never met my neighbours. I am only aware of them because of their noise – the music is loud and they argue.

What are you ready for? Something new. Something else. Anything. I’m ready for anything…thats what I always say and I mean it. I am ready to have somewhere to live. Homelessness isn’t nice. I’ve done a lot of sofa surfing and I’m ready to have my own place..not living in someone else’s home. I am ready for more income. I am ready for better health.

What is freedom? Being able to do what you want. I do what i want mostly. Freedom for me is a day of fun and not having to work. I feel pretty lucky because I am very free. Not everyone is though. Some people are afraid to say or do what they want because they might have a partner who won’t like it or maybe will hurt them if they do. Having a passport…gaining legal residency in uk….that means my husband and I are free to travel again. People think its incredibly easy to get into this country- it’s really not. Even with being married its difficult and time consuming. Its taken over five years. It’s an interesting one. I recognise that I live a fairly free life. I have the freedom to speak my mind, walk the streets, particularly compared to some countries but I don’t feel free. I feel trapped and burdened by responsibilities. Maybe the freedom comes when you are older…your kids are grown, you have more time, and less ties and more choice to do what you want.

How does it feel to be right? People can have their views even if you don’t agree…everyone has the right to have their own views. I have the right to have a different view. Is that respect? (Smiles.) Feels great. He’s the quiz master, so he’s always right. Brilliant. Love being right. Im always right. Love it when I google something like whose the first actor to play Bond…it was Sean Connery! Yep I was right.

When do we ask for help? If we rarely ask, why is that? Sometime I don’t ask because I am not willing to hear ‘no!’ Is it somehow worse to ask and have that request turned down? How does that feel? If we know people who do not ask for help even though we may see or feel there is a need for help….how do we support them? I think there is something in how requests are met that is important. Requests met with anger, with guilt, with sympathy can perhaps be requests we wish had never shared. And what if we are met with empathy? Does the yes/no matter if the person gets where we are coming from? Maybe not.

In whose interest? What do we mean? Is it our own interest we wondered, because how can it be anybody else’s? Is there even such a thing as an action that is entirely ‘altruistic’ with no personal gain? Ah, now that question makes so much sense.My interest. Can it be for other though? The greater good.?The common good? But what and who is that?

How does it feel to be vulnerable? First we talked about what ‘vulnerable’ means as it has different meanings in different contexts. Vulnerable to harsh weather, or one’s home is vulnerable, or i feel vulnerable alone on that dark street, or children are vulnerable to all sorts of things, as opposed to choosing to be ‘open’ and so in that openness being ‘vulnerable’. We thought about how it can be good to be open or porous to what is around us ( hence vulnerable) but only if we have the resilience and resources to cope with those vulnerabilities. Being vulnerable can break us down but that isn’t always a bad thing. It can lead to better and more honest lives that bring us more happiness or other rewards. It can move us forward or somewhere unexpected – again sometimes this is a great thing. Is vulnerability the only state to be in? Are we not all ‘vulnerable’ humans on some level? Is it about choice? If you choose to be vulnerable then that can be a great thing so long as you have the resources around you to deal with whatever happens, but if the state is thrust upon you it is less easy. You can still choose how you react though – and whether you go into a fearful or resourceful place in that situation.

What makes you angry? Many things. Far too many to remember. Sometimes the more I think about this question, the more things I get angry about. When I see young children with their parents and their parents are on mobile phones, not playing with them at all. Those kids are little for such a short time, and they are just missing the whole thing. It’s a loss. People coming in here and telling me they are going to vote UKIP….like thats going to make anything better! It just makes me so angry….I want to explain to them how they aren’t going to be better off the way they believe they will, ….that there aren’t people from other countries coming in and stealing ‘their’ jobs. I mean, how can you have your jobs stolen when you aren’t even applying for jobs….but you can’t change people’s minds…their views are set.They’ll just look at you like you’re mad and think what they think. People being harsh and angry with others….I saw a woman in a supermarket and she was chatting to the woman at the till and taking her time and the person behind her just ‘lost it’. of course THERE are two sides to every story….it was supposed to be a fast till, but still. there is just no need to shout at people. It’s abusive. Perhaps the check out assistant could have managed it better…but for some people, coming in and talking to someone at the check out maybe the only conversation they have all day. You think about that and maybe being slowed down a little bit, losing a few minutes, doesn’t seem so important. Things happening that I feel are unfair. Things that I have no power to change but I am unable to accept. Is this perhaps the state of intolerance making me feel angry? If their were no limits, what would you do? There’s a question what wouldn’t I do? (Many smiles in response to this question.) Me- I’d get rid of all the bad people who put me down and make me feel bad. I would have all the luxuries I could want. I would have only nice people around me.

Common good or individual satisfaction? So me or other people? Both. Can it be both? Is it selfish to think of myself? Surely we have to please ourselves in order to please other people. I’m a giver me, thats my problem- too trusting. I do things a lot for others. I’d like to get to a point where i do things for me.

What stops you in your tracks? Nothing. Nothing stops me. If there is a wall in my way I’ll just find a way to go through it or over it, but i always keep going….keep moving forward. What else can you do? ……Death….maybe that stops me….when someone you love dies that’s hard. I guess extremes whether good or bad stop us…..a beautiful moment..a sad moment….something that arrests the senses….yes its the extremes that stop me in my tracks. Great questions. Great kindnesses, beauty or wonder stops me in my tracks. Children asking you for love. It’s easy to ignore a small human when we are busy but when your daughter you for a hug in the supermarket thats ‘fair play’ –  I just get down on your knees and hug. Intense pleasure, pain, danger, anger, beauty and love. My mother dying. The recent election result!!! Extreme actions, wrong doings and emotions…a really beautiful view, a poignant moment, a child smiling, children in general…these things make me stop…and be hopeful…and smile. Babies. They are so innocent – full of hope. Nothing to do but stop and fall into their eyes.

Do you really listen? Yes. I can’t hear that well, so that’s an issue with listening, but still I’m a pretty good listener. I don’t always choose o listen…if it’s a talk and I’m not interested in it. Sometimes I listen. Not always. Sometimes I just lose it – someone says something I don’t agree with or that makes me feel angry or hurt… its hard for me to listen then. When people are telling me what to do in my own home or telling me how to raise our kids.

Have we lost the art of conversation? Maybe. I hate Face Book – it’s a lot of rubbish. Why do I want to know about what someone had for dinner? People spend a lot of time on computers, tablets, phones. Is it good? It probably means people talk less. Then again it’s a way to keep in contact with people on the other side of the world and actually I know someone who used skype as part of their funeral so that the daughter of the man who had died could be there. It was weird with this woman walking around pointing her computer at everyone but you know it’s a good if it brings people together.

Are you entitled? No. I’d say no. It’s a bit like the question about freedom. I know I am free and I know I am entitled to lots of things but I don’t feel like I am entitled to much of anything. Funny question. Great question actually. What are we each entitled to? What is entitlement anyway? Are we entitled to love?..to safety? …a home?…to a kindness and support when we are vulnerable…being looked after and cared about irrespective of what we earn or have? Are we entitled to respect and compassion? Love. Freedom. Kindness. Water and Food. Shelter- somewhere to live. Shouldn’t  all humans be entitled to those things?

What makes you stand up? I usually stand up for people. I hope I would anyway. Sometimes you have to weigh up if you are strong enough and able to make a difference if you stand up. I have been in a position where I didn’t feel I could and that didn’t feel nice at all. I felt weak. When I was younger it was easier, i would think more now before getting involved. Once I heard this teacher shouting at these kids and i just had to say something. it’s not right speaking to people like that. He apologised to me after.

If you could change anything what would you change? Like what do I want most…..? I want a job. I would be healthy and fit….able to work….pain free. You can’t do anything without health. Money doesn’t buy health either. Well, I guess it can help…. can’t it…it’s not the money itself but what it gives you access to. Sometimes I just sit in my house and I feel sad, you know. I give a lot when I am out with people and I get home and I’m exhausted. I would make cheese healthy. It is, isn’t it?!! Now thats not a small question is it. I would change it so that humans average life expectancy was 300 years or more…so that they live long enough to have to deal with the consequences of their choices. l would be ‘good vibes’ electricity – enough to power the whole world and this fuel I create would have a zero carbon footprint. What if that was possible? I would make everyone start on an equal footing.

How do we genuinely make things better for everybody? I could write a PHD on that. Depends what you mean by ‘everybody’ and ‘genuine’. Many times when this word is used by politicians I have found it to be disingenuous – to get our votes – they ‘genuinely’ promise but they don’t deliver. The other week I met a girl who was pushing her bike because the brakes weren’t working. I had a look at it and fiddled with something…it was only a two minute job. The brakes were just disconnected. I didn’t expect anything back from her. People are always suspicious now of people offering help. But that’s genuinely making things better – we help each other, we do a good deed each day. We smile and offer kindness to the people around us. If every person in the world does that, then it changes the world for the better doesn’t it? We take responsibility and stop blaming other people – its ridiculous you cant clear your own path from snow, councils won’t sharpen your shears, people living in fear of being sued….we need to be doing things that make sense and compassionate. How does it help if I fall over on the ice because nobody could clear the path or for fear of falling I stay in my home for days. Impossible. You can’t make things better for anyone. Can you? I hate this government – all governments. They don’t listen. They do one thing then they do something else completely different. I don’t bother with any of that. It’s all about the people who have money. They don’t care about the people who don’t have anything. They don’t care about me. The NHS will be broke in 30 years – its shocking, a disgrace.

How can we forgive? It’s very difficult. I never forgive. Three strikes and you are out. Can we forgive? And even if I can, should I? How do I do that anyway? Does letting go, moving on, finding ‘grace’ help? What about putting myself in the other person’s ‘shoes’? I don’t agree with that forgive but don;t forget. How can you really forgive someone if you haven’t forgotten? Think the kindness and reason to forgive sis for ourselves. If I hold on to the anger or hate for their wrong doing, it’s me it hurts because it steals my happiness an peace of mind, doesn’t it?

What needs to happen so we can have peace in this world? Like what would you do if you were in charge…like the government?We need to get rid of all the foreigners claiming fraudulent benefits and taking our jobs. People who come to this country shouldn’t get any benefits or free health care. Its wrong. One guy lives in europe somewhere and just comes over to register each of his kids so that he can claim benefits. He doesn’t even live here! We just have the gates wide open. Free stuff – thats why everyone wants to come here. We need to keep the country for us and shut our borders. Whats the difference if a person is from another country or this one – people from this country cheat the system as well and all that stuff. Everyone should get help. What if it was your sister that was from Africa and they came here and couldn’t get help? How would that feel? Would you want people you love to be thrown out? What if you went to another country and you needed help – were ill and in need of care? Isn’t it the same thing? We are all the same. I don’t vote. I never vote. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That’s it – what’s the point in voting. They don’t care and my vote won’t change anything. But if you don’t vote then how can you change anything? Do you even have the right to say anything about the system if you don’t vote. Yes she has the right to have an opinion. Of course she does. Anyway I don’t know why I’m getting at you, I haven’t even registered to vote myself!

How does it feel to be wrong? Oooh, it sucks. I hate being wrong – it can make me fall apart. It’s hard in moments to forgive myself my mistake – then I make myself wrong for it- which is heart breaking. Then I remember or try to remind myself that learning to walk ( like all learning) is a series of failed attempts.

Who is the Enemy? I am. I am my own worst enemy. There have been situations where I have blamed others for situations but when I really think about it, it was me – my choices. Its good to realise this I think. Gives me the choice to do something different next time. If I remember. Everyone you don’t like. Is that true? David Cameron is my enemy. All the political parties because they all do wrong by people who don’t have much. They make promises and don’t keep them. It’s disgusting. So what do we do about that? I am! I’m the ‘baddie’ – pow pow!!

Who matters to you most? Me. Is that allowed? Can I matter most? Not one person…all my family and close friends matter. Can depend on the situation…if my car has broken down, maybe a mechanic or someone else who can help matters most…or even that depends. Everybody matters, don’t they? Think of the bees….we are all significant and vital to each others survival. Does the answer have to be ‘others’? Is it selfish if that person that matters most is me? Can I really be there for the people I love, if I am not the person who matters most to me? Isn’t that my responsibility? To make myself happy…to show up for me? I am the only person I cannot live without. Though others are perhaps the reason to live.

Where do you draw the line? Right here. That’s the end.

Bramley Baths & Bramley Lawn Men’s Group…

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Bramley Folk talking about nought, everything and all that’s in between.

It’s a sunny day with glorious blue skies and a fresh breeze and we popped in to Bramley Baths for a quick chat before heading down to Bramley Lawn, a new social centre for older adults run by BEA ( Bramley elderly Action). The group we were visiting – a men’s group ( ideally suited for the over 60’s) meet every Saturday. Today people are busily preparing for the ‘pay as you feel’ dinner tonight and I also spotted a barbeque that is soon to be set up in the centre’s dementia friendly garden Bramley lawn are building. Here’s a selection of things the people of Bramley had to say about these questions ( the thoughts of various people that contributed as remembered by Zoe Parker)…

What makes you feel good? Coming here to this group. Talking with friends, meeting new people, getting out of the house,having a laugh, going on trips when I can. Blue skies. Making things. Good friends. Having time to do the things I want to do.

What inspires you? People doing amazing things like raising lots of money for charity by trekking in the Himalayas or running a marathon or something. I couldn’t do that. Amazing cities. Being in my camper van.

Do you really listen? Yes. I can’t hear that well, so that’s an issue with listening, but still I’m a pretty good listener. I don’t always choose o listen…if it’s a talk and I’m not interested in it.

In one ear out the other!

Have we lost the art of conversation? Maybe. I hate Face Book – it’s a lot of rubbish. Why do I want to know about what someone had for dinner? People spend a lot of time on computers, tablets, phones. Is it good? It probably means people talk less. Then again it’s a way to keep in contact with people on the other side of the world and actually I know someone who used skype as part of their funeral so that the daughter of the man who had died could be there. It was weird with this woman walking around pointing her computer at everyone but you know it’s a good if it brings people together.

What is freedom? It’s an interesting one. I recognise that I live a fairly free life. I have the freedom to speak my mind, walk the streets, particularly compared to some countries but I don’t feel free. I feel trapped and burdened by responsibilities.

Maybe the freedom comes when you are older…your kids are grown, you have more time, and less ties and more choice to do what you want.

How do we genuinely make things better for everybody? I could write a PHD on that. Depends what you mean by ‘everybody’ and ‘genuine’. Many times when this word is used by politicians I have found it to be disingenuous – to get our votes – they ‘genuinely’ promise but they don’t deliver.

The other week I met a girl who was pushing her bike because the brakes weren’t working. I had a look at it and fiddled with something…it was only a two minute job. The brakes were just disconnected. I didn’t expect anything back from her. People are always suspicious now of people offering help. But that’s genuinely making things better – we help each other, we do a good deed each day. We smile and offer kindness to the people around us. If every person in the world does that, then it changes the world for the better doesn’t it? We take responsibility and stop blaming other people – its ridiculous you cant clear your own path from snow, councils won’t sharpen your shears, people living in fear of being sued….we need to be doing things that make sense and compassionate. How does it help if I fall over on the ice because nobody could clear the path or for fear of falling I stay in my home for days.

How does it feel to be right? (Smiles.) Feels great. He’s the quiz master, so he’s always right

When do you laugh at yourself? Yes – all the time. Got to laugh at your self. If you don’t laugh, then you might cry. I laugh when I look in the mirror.

How much are you worth? We are all priceless. Nought – you come into the world with nought and you leave the same way?

Who is the enemy? Everyone you don’t like. Is that true? One person said David Cameron. Another, all the political parties because they all do wrong by people who don’t have much. They make promises and don’t keep them. It’s disgusting. So what do we do about that?

What is Love? I’ve been married for 57 years. Love is caring for another person – putting their needs ahead of your own. Or is that devotion maybe. Love is putting up with each other and sticking together. Love is arguing things out – a marriage without arguments means someone is under the thumb. That’s no good. Love gosh…I had a perfect wife…I lived a wild life and she put up with it. I had freedom and fun. I did everything.

Why are you here? That sounds quite esoteric. Like what is my purpose on this earth? Literally, the answer… I’m here so I can get out of the house, to meet people and do things.

Are you entitled? That’s a funny question. No. I’d say no. It’s a bit like the question about freedom. I know I am free and I know I am entitiled to lots of things but I don’t feel like I am.

Question added Should we bring back capital punishment? I found this quite challenging being a pacifist. This came from a discussion about responsibility and schools and how discipline used to be a lot stronger and perhaps the reson why teachers were respected more ‘in those days’…the 9 tailed cat was mentioned as a good thing for keeping children in line ( a whip used in corporal punishment). Many were in agreement about death penalty for people like say the Yorkshire Ripper where there is no doubt – as it would be cheaper to kill than pay for them to be in prison. A few felt it wasn’t worth it because of the wrongly accused people. It’s not like you can take death back can you?! Me, I just don’t believe in killing people….though perhaps if I lived in different circumstances that view would change, who can say. What do you think?

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Ca-Bear-Gay! at Live Arts Bistro

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Tea and Tolerance were invited to be an intervention at Live Arts Bistro in Leeds on good friday. Ca-bear-gay! It was a fabulous night of queer cabaret and performance featuring an exclusive scratch of Jamie Fletcher‘s new Dancing Bear Trilogy Show. It also included film screenings, disco dancing and a whole heap of live art/cabaret performances from some very special guests including Adam Young, Gareth Cutter Mysti Valentine and many more.

We decided to add costumes so that we might be more of a spectacle, to fit with the evening which had a focus on gender – so we borrowed Yorkshire Life Aquatic‘s Mermaid tail for the female, and brought pink satin shirt and high heels for the male. What was interesting was that we were still related to as normal humans much as we would be if wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Perhaps this is a testament to human beings ability to relate to the real person – you know how they are on the inside rather than their outward appearances. After all, whether cross dresser or mermaid, we’re still more similar than we are different. Then again, all the people we talked to were so open and lovely, maybe it says more about them in particular, rather than the entire human race. ( Though its a hope we can aim for.) What do you think?

We with these people, we had some very interesting conversations about love, difference and what it means to be safe and resilient. Here is some of the discussion as i remember it…

How does it feel to be vulnerable? First we talked about what ‘vulnerable’ means as it has different meanings in different contexts. Vulnerable to harsh weather as opposed, or one’s home is vulnerable, or i feel vulnerable alone on that dark street, or children are vulnerable to all sorts of things, as opposed to choosing to be ‘open’ and ‘vulnerable’. We thought about how it can be good to be open or porous to what is around us ( hence vulnerable) but only if we have the resilience and resources to cope with those vulnerabilities. Being vulnerable can break us down but that isn’t always a bad thing. It can lead to better and more honest lives that bring us more happiness or other rewards. It can move us forward or somewhere unexpected – again sometimes this is a great thing. One person wondered whether vulnerability is the only state to be in? Are we not all ‘vulnerable’ humans on some level? We decided it was about choice. if you choose to be vulnerable then that can be a great thing so long as you have the resources around you to deal with whatever happens, but if the state is thrust upon you it is less easy. You can still choose how you react though – and whether you go into a fearful or resourceful place in that situation.

Kindness or Intelligence? Both surely we thought. Kindness surely is intelligence. Of course sometimes people choose intellect and logic over being kind, but one doesn’t have to exclude the other. Every action we take surely is best coming from a place of kindness and compassion?

What stops you in your tracks? Great question we thought. Great kindnesses, beauty or wonder stops us in our tracks. Children asking you for love. It’s easy to ignore a small human when we are busy but when your daughter asks you for a hug in the supermarket thats fair play – just get down on your knees and hug her. Many other things stopped us in our tracks. Mainly extremes like… intense pleasure, pain, danger, anger, beauty and love.

Can you love someone when you don’t agree with their beliefs? Initial response was of course you can love someone you don’t agree with. Though we wondered whether it matters what the difference of belief is? We had a range of opinions about this question. Do we love different people in different ways? Is love two-fold? The people like family we love unconditionally, the people we choose to love and love we have of other humans and things that we encounter in life? One view was that unconditional love of family and so on, you disregard the beliefs you don’t agree with. Though we wondered were their limits or extreme tests to this? What if they actively participated in things you disagreed with? Do we then need to make it clear that we disagree with that particular belief? And how does that affect the relationship and love we share with that person? We agreed with people who are less close to us, we can have an array of beliefs we don’t agree on. Though do we agree to disagree or just never speak about those differences? With romantic love, do we tend to expect or need those major beliefs and values to match? Would we choose not to love someone or get to a point of loving someone who had beliefs we don’t agree with? if so, what happens if you already love someone and discover a belief mismatch?

It was an amazing evening that we thoroughly enjoyed being part of…well done to The Dancing Bear Trilogy. Balloon popping whilst hugging was a perfect end to the main proceedings followed by music, dancing and more socialising. We look forward to the next one.

If you would like to add to this conversation, or offer a question for discussion, please add to the comments box below or email teaandtolerance@gmail.com

Men talking…

 

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Tea and Tolerance were guests at the Men’s Room. The Men’s Room group –  run by Space2, meets every Tuesday from 10.30am – 12.30pm at Denis Healey Centre in Seacroft. It’s a regular, welcoming safe space for local men to come together and chat, drink tea and take part in all sorts of activities from playing pool to painting and woodwork.

Every week they share a meal and those who wish can join in the cooking. It’s a great opportunity to meet new people, share stories and experiences, gain skills and build confidence.

It was great to be their guests on tuesday…wonderful people who spoke honestly with humour and heart.

We talked with many of the men about all sorts of things….. boats, sofa surfing, mobile phones, the right to disagree…. did we put the world to rights? Maybe not entirely…but perhaps we made a start? Here’s some of what we chatted about…from my recollection of what was said….I remember some things..I will for sure have forgotten other things….feel free to add your perspective if you were there…or even if you weren’t.

What makes you angry? Many things. Far too many to remember. Sometimes the more I think about this question, the more things I get angry about. When I see young children with their parents and their parents are on mobile phones, not playing with them at all. Those kids are little for such a short time, and they are just missing the whole thing. It’s a loss.

People coming in here and telling me they are going to vote UKIP….like thats going to make anything better! It just makes me so angry….I want to explain to them how they aren’t going to be better off the way they believe they will, ….that there aren’t people from other countries coming in and stealing ‘their’ jobs. I mean, how can you have your jobs stolen when you aren’t even applying for jobs….but you can’t change people’s minds…their views are set.They’ll just look at you like you’re mad and think what they think.

People being harsh and angry with others….I saw a woman in a supermarket and she was chatting to the woman at the till and taking her time and the person behind her just ‘lost it’. of course THERE are two sides to every story….it was supposed to be a fast till, but still. there is just no need to shout at people. It’s abusive. Perhaps the check out assistant could have managed it better…but for some people, coming in and talking to someone at the check out maybe the only conversation they have all day. You think about that and maybe being slowed down a little bit, losing a few minutes, doesn’t seem so important.

What makes you happy? Family makes me happy. Sometimes. When we are not arguing. I love my family. Good food. These guys….that come here make me happy.

How does it feel to be right? People can have their views even if you don’t agree…everyone has the right to have their own views. I have the right to have a different view. Is that respect?

What would you step into?  I am ready to have somewhere to live. Homelessness isn’t nice. I’ve done a lot of sofa surfing and I’m ready to have my own place..not living in someone else’s home. I am ready for more income. I am ready for better health.

Are you entitled? Funny question. We decided in the end a great question. What are we each entitled to? What is entitlement anyway? Are we entitled to love?..to safety? …a home?…to a kindness and support when we are vulnerable…being looked after and cared about irrespective of what we earn or have? Are we entitled to respect and compassion?

What makes you stand up? I usually stand up for people. I hope I would anyway. Sometimes you have to weigh up if you are strong enough and able to make a difference if you stand up. I have been in a position where I didn’t feel I could and that didn’t feel nice at all. I felt weak. When I was younger it was easier, i would think more now before getting involved. Once I heard this teacher shouting at these kids and i just had to say something. it’s not right speaking to people like that. He apologised to me after.

If you could change anything what would you change? Like what do I want most…..? I want a job. I would be healthy and fit….able to work….pain free. You can’t do anything without health. Money doesn’t buy health either. Well, I guess it can help…. can’t it…it’s not the money itself but what it gives you access to. Sometimes I just sit in my house and I feel sad, you know. I give a lot when I am out with people and I get home and I’m exhausted.

How much are you worth? Is what we are worth based on how much we earn? Could it be another way? Where what we are worth isn’t connected to our income. How else do we contribute to be valuable? I want to contribute. I want to be able to contribute. I do my best to be there for people, to listen to them, inject some humour.

What stops you in your tracks? Nothing. Nothing stops me. If there is a wall in my way I’ll just find a way to go through it or over it, but i always keep going….keep moving forward. What else can you do? ……Death….maybe that stops me….when someone you love dies that’s hard. I guess extremes whether good or bad stop us…..a beautiful moment..a sad moment….something that arrests the senses….yes its the extremes that stop you.

Conclusions. It was lovely to be the guests of The Men’s Room on Tuesday …wonderful people who spoke openly with humour and heart. It was great to be around the hustle and bustle of setting up for the meal as well….large tables, chairs, bowls, cutlery for twenty plus people ( almost exclusively men). Then we all proceeded to eat delicious ‘orange’ soup together. Like being part of a huge family except there really was plenty of food to go round. We think this is a wonderful project and hope to visit again!

We leave you with a question and comment from the group…. (feel free to comment on the question, add your own questions ,or offer an alternate contribution in the comments box below.) You can also follow us on Facebook.

“Do you think we have the right to end our own lives?”

“I really enjoyed myself…. just to have a discussion about things was great. I really do believe the more we talk the better understanding of one another we get!” D.G.

Tea and Living Local…

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On Saturday 31st January Living Local hosted a community event at Allerton CE Primary School. The atmosphere was relaxed and welcoming. It was a positive way to start 2015 and to build links between people and groups.

Between 12-2pm around 70 people (aged from 3 weeks to 80 years old) enjoyed a range of food, activities, games and the chance to speak with one another. The food was supplied by the local chip shop, the Iqra group and a team of volunteer cake makers. Children and adults took part in a variety of games and enjoyed the indoor trampoline, face painting, football, a local knowledge quiz and a raffle.

A dialogue group called Tea & Tolerance provided a space for people to have deeper discussions on their neighbourhood. Short updates were provided by Living Local and the Iqra group and invitations were made to people to visit the new Iqra building and also to become involved in future Living Local community activities.

A range of future activities for 2015 have emerged out of this event. These include; a spring clean up, 6 weeks of sport for children, restoration of the community garden with the support of Business in the Community in May and a September bbq. The event was a collaborative effort and a mix of people all worked together to create it. This included local residents, members of the Iqra group, Allerton CE primary school, St John’s Church, Moortown Baptist Church and Living Local. A big thankyou to everyone involved and Living Local are looking forward to future events.

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